One of you mentioned Ray Frantz had left behind clues, bold information within plain site. A "mine field" of data is suppose to be on the WT CD-ROM, what information where you talking about? My favorite book before I knew Ray was an Apostate, was the "James Book", it still is and I love the insights Ray wrote, that remain timeless about the letter of James.
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What Are Some Of The Critical Items (Clues, Free Thinking) Ray Frantz Left Behind In Articles?
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inone of you mentioned ray frantz had left behind clues, bold information within plain site.
a "mine field" of data is suppose to be on the wt cd-rom, what information where you talking about?
my favorite book before i knew ray was an apostate, was the "james book", it still is and i love the insights ray wrote, that remain timeless about the letter of james..
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What Are Some Of The Critical Items (Clues, Free Thinking) Ray Frantz Left Behind In Articles?
by Bubblegum Apotheosis induplicate post, sorry!
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"Jehovah Witness Lights Himself On Fire In Russia!"
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/mad-mad-world/self-proclaimed-god-sets-himself-ablaze-in-russia/articleshow/12841331.cms.
we sure do attack the crazy ones, dont we?
i studied russian history fifteen years ago, my mind is blank right now, there was a group of radical russian cult members during "peter the great" time, who threw themselves into fire, burning themself and their children.
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We sure do attack the crazy ones, dont we? I studied Russian history fifteen years ago, my mind is blank right now, there was a group of radical Russian cult members during "Peter the Great" time, who threw themselves into fire, burning themself and their children. What were their names?
" Self-proclaimed ‘God' sets himself ablaze in Russia
Mon Apr 23 2012 08:43:02 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by IANS
Moscow, April 23 (IANS) A man in Russia, proclaiming to be "God", set himself ablaze and landed in hospital in a critical condition with 70 percent burns, RIA Novosti reported.A member of the Jehovah's Witnesses sect, the set himself on fire Monday in the Moscow region, police said.
The incident occurred in the village of Nakhabino, 33 km outside Moscow after the man bought fuel, poured it onto himself and set himself ablaze.
"According to the son of the injured man, his 43-year-old father had been a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses and considered himself to be God," the police said.
Investigators are probing the cause of the man's suicide attempt.
The Jehovah's Witnesses, with some seven million followers worldwide and over 200,000 in Russia, have been banned in a number of Russian regions and in some former Soviet republics.
The sect is banned in China, North Korea, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, among other countries.
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Evil Elderettes, the true Hounds of Hell!
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inmy wife was told a brother was going to be disfellowshiped, "how do you know this is going to happen?
" sister so-so said "he was not repentant or humble to the brother's kindness.
" instead of engaging into a heated debate, she knew who the leak was, so-so's husband.
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@aussie, Yes I know this as a fact, "Brother So-So" has been "called" on his loose lips before the BOE, Aussie you have no idea how infiltrated the network is with men who make bad choices, for terrible reasons.
The story of Samson and Delila is recorded for our benefit, whether you believe in Jehovah or not, certain woman are able to strong arm their "elder" husbands into submission.
@blondie, if the problem can be internalized (kept in-house, in-Hall) without the rest of the Circuit aware, Jabber Jaw elders remain intact, even letters to the Society with allegations of misconduct, rarely results in tosssing out a pliable spined servant of Theirs. B.O.E.s are composed of imperfect and sometimes sick men, the more you know your fellow elder, you are apt to get a blackmail, "get out of jail" chip.
Example: Brother Reckless invites Elder Moderate to his house, he pours the drinks, adds extra partial shots to mixed drinks. Brother Moderate opens his mouth about an on going situation (the Grey Goose, Jonny Walker Blue Ribbon), Moderate's low resistance to drink gave Reckless a chip!
@char ROLFMAO, you know where I am coming from, the pack of wolves are not afraid to counsel elders from their microphones, 'Message comments are frequently used to straighten out young girls who wear low skirts! One trite comment by elderette Shena "If you have time to shop at the Malls, you have time to attend the Halls!" "I wish the weak ones attended different Halls, so our numbers looked better."
The wannabe elderette, she sometimes is stuck unless she divorces her man, or he leaves her! The wannabe elderette could be a pioneer or not, she could be stuck (Her husband is a pedophile, her husband had gay sex, her husband committed adultry) knowing her husband will never be made a elder. "Poor sister Endora, he husband can't become an elder because of his past sins!" Heard that one too!
Legalistic female pharisees, (there were female pharisees according to sources on early first century Jewish history.) who crave attention, prominence and respect for putting up with the rest of the "amaharets"!
There are good elder wives, it's the "elderettes" that make Meetings, Field Service and life diffucult for many good man and women who attend with good hearts. Yogi Berra said "You can observe alot by just watching!" Sit back and listen to comments made, watch their conduct at meetings and in field service (If they will work with the down trodden) ,it will scream "Elder's wife or Hell Hound Elderette".
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Jehovah's Witnesses Do Vote In Ghana
by Aaron Eldridge inhttp://www.modernghana.com/news/189459/1/jehovahs-witnesses-do-vote-in-ghana.html.
jehovah's witnesses do vote in ghana.
by francis asamoah-tufuor - newtimesonline.com.
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Republicans would hate Compulsory voting in the United States, the 99 percent heading to the polls! If you don't attend on voting day, you are heavily fined! In South America the Witnesses will leave their ballot blank or check nobody.
From Wiki
" Compulsory voting may encourage voters to research the candidates' political positions more thoroughly. Since they are voting anyway they may take more of an interest into the nature of the politicians they may vote for, rather than simply opting out. This means candidates need to appeal to a more general audience, rather than a small section of the community.
A result of this setup is that it is therefore more difficult for extremist or special interest groups to vote themselves into power or to influence mainstream candidates. Under a non-compulsory voting system, if fewer people vote then it is easier for smaller sectional interests and lobby groups to motivate a small section of the people to the polls and thereby control the outcome of the political process. The outcome of a election where voting is compulsory reflects more of the will of the people (Who do I want to lead the country?) rather than reflecting who was more able to convince people to take time out of their day to cast a vote (Do I even want to vote today?).Wiki "Enforced
These are the 10 countries that enforce compulsory voting:
Argentina - Compulsory for citizens between 18 and 70 years old, non-compulsory for those older than 70. (However in primaries, citizens under 70 may refuse to vote, if they formally express their decision to the electoral authorities, at least 48 hours before the election. This is valid only for the subsequent primary, and needs to be repeated every time the voter wishes not to participate.)
Australia - Compulsory enrollment and voting for state and national elections for all eligible adults (18 and above). In some states local council elections are compulsory too.[10]
Brazil[11] - Compulsory for citizens between 18 and 70 years old.
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Ecuador - Compulsory for citizens between 18 and 65 years old; non-compulsory for citizens aged 16-18, illiterate people, and those older than 65.
Luxembourg - Only for the regionals and if signed up
Nauru
Peru - Compulsory for citizens between 18 and 70 years old, non-compulsory for those older than 70
Singapore[12] - Compulsory for citizens above 21 years old on the 1st of January of the year of election
Uruguay
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Carefully Stepping Around Jesus as the Mediator FOR ALL (Comments on CO Talk)
by LostGeneration inwell my stomach was feeling especially strong today, so i decided to listen to a bit of the stuff posted by mindnumbed (thank you!).
now i don't feel so good.
anyway, here is the one that was especially disturbing, even from my perspective as a non-christian.. god's "will is that all sorts of men should be saved" (circuit overseer talk).
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You have not heard anything, LG it takes a special person "Billy Maze" type to be a CO. Having worked with many, I can assure you they are confused, scared about their own future outlook (where will I live, who will pay the bills?) and have no where else to go.
It's either Float or Sink, Float along with every new teaching, even if they make no sense or Sink! (Financially, Loss of Prestige, Peer Groups dissapate, and no "Former CO Home Building Project" for them to live in!
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Evil Elderettes, the true Hounds of Hell!
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inmy wife was told a brother was going to be disfellowshiped, "how do you know this is going to happen?
" sister so-so said "he was not repentant or humble to the brother's kindness.
" instead of engaging into a heated debate, she knew who the leak was, so-so's husband.
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My wife was told a brother was going to be disfellowshiped, "how do you know this is going to happen?" Sister so-so said "he was not repentant or humble to the brother's kindness." Instead of engaging into a heated debate, she knew who the leak was, so-so's husband.
He has to pay for play, he shares inside opperations of the judical committes and she puts out to meet his physical needs! When the annoucement was read, I laughed at how pitiful the chain of command is!
Next time you decide to confess your sins to the BOE, ask yourself if your BOE are strong, annointed and appointed by Jehovah or are they "pay for play" elders submitting to their elderette wives?
"Brother X is not longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses"
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Thinking about disassociating yourself - STOP!...at least for a moment
by rory-ks in(this recent forum post about a letter of disassociation encouraged me to post this new topic.
it's been sitting in my drafts folder for a little while, but now is as good a time as any.).
my suggestion would be, try not to go down the route of disassociation.
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@rory-ks That was beautiful! There is no good reason to allow them to label you, more good is accomplished by covert methods than putting a big "Apostate" T-shirt on. The Society has no use for under performing dubs who don't meet their month hour target. How quick the friends would say "Oh, that makes sense, he is disassociating himself, I am afraid to go near him!" vs talking in private about subjects like "The Generation 11.00"... I enjoyed your reasoning and logical analysis for anyone not ready to go Rogue! @ Moshe "Just be a doormat, you'll get to like the rundown feeling- Rory made a sound argument for dubs not sure of their present situation. His approach has a more tactical method, than allowing the Organization to tell friends and family members "Their mentally diseased apostates, hate them!"
Or you can start living the life you were meant to live as a free person, not shackled to the dogmas of the WT org. The more friends and relatives you have in the KH, the less likely it is that any clandestine attempt to extricate them will succeed. I actually had a JW come up and tell me ( in a store ), "I wish I could leave like you did", and he was gone. I'll bet he is still going to the meetings- 20+ years later and hating every day of his life.
Rory has provided a nice outline how to transition out of the Organization on the publishers own terms. "having a whacko JW come up to me, who attends meetings (but hate thems) out of spite or fear would not validate any thinking person's life. "Wow, I was complimented by a nut, I feel much better about my life now!"
Rory is not talking to a community who attends meetings ferverently, he is talking to those who don't attend, rarely attend meetings. If a man or woman is happy without being labled an Apostate, should they hand over their freedom to a entity who will label them evil?
Depressed and anxious individuals would be better off fading away, what worked for you and others who broke out, have brought disaster to others on the fringe of the Organization. Socially ackward members of society who were promised a spiritual paradise, who will we send these people to? The old saying "You Break, You Fix It", Rory's method prevents unnecessary anxiety and ill will, other fading members have contracts with Dubs, or enjoy their physical family (who are still JWs) interaction.
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What apostates fail to recognize is...
by nananana inyou can cut & paste all the excerpts from articles you want...you can leak all the boe letters, you can pretend to be witnesses and come to the conventions and meetings...but.
no other organization can begin to rival the success and magnitude of the prophecy found in mt 24:14. so apostates....don't waste your time spending countless hours digging up articles and reading books to convince yourself to turn away from jh's organization.
no matter what "evidence" you find you cannot ignore the obvious fulfillment of matthew 24:14.. .
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" 49. Unnecessarily and abusively shunning members even for minor infractions such as smoking or not complying with the whimsical directives of elders, thereby causing personal and family turmoil that often results in immense guilt, shame, fear, depression, bitterness, hatred, murder and suicide."
"Greed Is Good!" oh wrong line. Guilt is good! Guilt in the Organization is the oddest beast, only JWs with a heart encounter this emotion. The self-righteous legalistic are the first to condem their fellow brothers and sisters. Depression can be cured by getting out in the Field Ministry more, and devoting your time whole-heartedly to the Slave.
50. Prohibiting fellowship with disassociated persons who show no inclination toward causing dissension.
We don't prohibit, we highly advise against it and will "mark" you, if you do!
51. Showing favoritism by advising innocent victims to "leave it to Jehovah" instead of the elders taking decisive action to deal with some members who have been accused of harmful wrongdoing.When dealing with a pedophile case, the victim was forced to describe detail by detail of what took place. A heavy handed pedophile who qoutes the Society's teachings, knows the letter or their law, has an unfair advantage of victims. Psychologist don't ask for "dirty details" but the BOE's judical committe has no problem putting little boys and girls into shock, reliving the nightmare in front of the Pedophile. Police have learned as well, how much information to extract from victims, not the Slave, they know how to push the envelope (Victim) off the table (chase them out of the Congregation, while the Pedophile is cleansed by the laying of hands by holy men.) right into the shredder.
52. Ignoring or minimizing clear evidence of child molestation and other abuses simply because only one witness is available to testify against the member accused of such serious wrongdoing
Putting a victim head to head with a former JW elder who knows their loopholes, it's beautiful for the perpetrators!
53. Covering over and hiding damaging facts about the JW organization
Jehovah covered Jonah with the bottle gourd plant, so the heat of the burning Sun would not hurt him! We cover our angry prophets, who fail to learn from Jehovah's mercy, quick to condem others for the same blunders the Org makes!
54. In many cases, neglecting the care of their own sick and elderly members who no longer have the strength and energy to attend all the meetings and to be regular in "field service" as they did for most of their lives
The joy of bringing in a new recruit outweighs the ten who leave from neglect! When my baby sister stopped attending the congregation, nobody came looking for her! We all have stories of brothers and sisters who were never checked on, stopped attending meetings and fell out of the congregation without a blink!
I can't figure this riddle out, why is a potential study worth more time, than Granda Joe whose day's of pioneering are gone? Aunt Mable is left in a rest home to preach about "brotherly love", thank God she has dementia, she's not aware the Brotherhood has not been here for years!
55. Blatantly lying to the public by declaring to news media that members may leave the organization at any time, of their own free will and without any repercussions from the organization
"It's ok to lie to those who don't deserve to know the Truth!"
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Jehovah Witnesses Fragment Groups: "Why Are There So Many?"
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inlast night i went on a journey, it started with a "wiki" page about "splinter jw groups", from website to website, i learned about men and women, who were left out of the "proclaimers" book.
a field service flash back hit me:.
the territory we worked, was "seldom worked territory", and the adventure came freshly to mind, the first house we encountered a "russellite", strange, but (i thought they were all dead?
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I asked the question of few times, "was brother Russell looking for Christ's brothers on earth, while alive?" No satisfactory answers have been given to me, to overcome this hurdle. If he was the 15th apostle, why is much of his work disgarded?